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Post by helpless0writer on Oct 11, 2007 19:12:39 GMT -5
Another idea: Civil Wars. This was a feature that I loved in the older Civ games. If you were at war with a Civilization, if you capture their capital, the enemy Civ could split into two Civs. Example: You're at war with the Romans. Rome is a pretty big empire, compared to yours. You manage to capture their capital, Rome. Suddenly the Roman Empire splits into two Civilizations: The Romans (original civ you're at war with) and the Byzantines (the rebels). With this feature, you could negotiate an alliance with the rebel Byzantine, and continue your war with Rome. This could force Rome to their knees and ask for a peace treaty, where normally they wouldn't offer. It's the classic "cut the head off" example. So it's always best to protect your capital! When the rebels break off, it could be a handful of cities on the cultural borders of the Civ. Plus, this "Civil War" event wouldn't have to happen everytime you capture a capital. Make it a percent chance, like 5-10%, for example. Thoughts? I think it should depend on the overall happiness and unhealthiness of your civ. I mean if i have 5 cities and basically there is celebrations every turn then i think my civ wouldn't break in two. Though when it comes to overall health and happiness idk if it should be averaged or else how many cities are unhappy like for example 1: happy but unhealthy 2: happy and healthy 3: unhealthy and unhappy 4: unhappy but healthy 5: happy but unhealthy maybe it should purely be on happiness. so with the above stuff they wouldn't suceed or else only the unhappy ones would perhaps... well its your guys decision
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Post by Brandonazz on Oct 16, 2007 21:07:11 GMT -5
Something Like This:
Base chance of Civil War on loss of capital: 20%
Despotism: +5% Hereditary Rule: +5% Representation: No Effect Police State: +10% Universal Sufferage: -5%
Barbarism: No Effect Vassalage: +10% Bureaucracy: +10% Nationhood: -15% Free Speech: -10%
Tribalism: -5% Slavery: +10% Serfdom: No Effect Caste System: No Effect Emancipation: -5% (+15% if changed within last 5 turns)
Decentralization: -10% Mercantilism: No Effect Free Market: -5% State Property: +5% (+10% if also Police State) Environmentalism: No Effect
Paganism: No Effect Organized Religion: +5% Theocracy: +5% (+20% if Capital is Holy City of State Religion) Pacifism: -10% Free Religion: -5%
Most Likely Civil War Civics: Police State: +10% Vassalage: +10% Emancipation: -5% (+15% if changed within last 5 turns) State Property: +5% (+10% if also Police State) Theocracy: +5% (+20% if Capital is Holy City of State Religion)
Or 85% if your nation is a Feudal Totalitarian Theocracy that just freed its slaves.
Least Likely Civil War Civics: Universal Sufferage: -5% Nationhood: -15% Emancipation: -5% Decentralization: -10% Pacifism: -10%
Or -25% chance if you rule a realm in which almost every city is independent, there is no slavery, the people are very patriotic, everyone can vote, and the people are pacifist.
Any counter-suggestions?
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Post by brandonazz on Oct 16, 2007 21:17:04 GMT -5
The revolting cities would have the following factors: -Religion Different From State Religion Weight: 1 ->30% Culture Not Civilization Culture Weight: 1 -Distance from New Capital Weight: 2 -Closeness to Prime Revolter Cities Weight: 2 -Poorness of City's Economy Weight 1 -Size of City (Less is More likely to revolt) Weight: 1 -Size of Revolting Region < or = to 50% of cities Required
And probably a few more.
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Post by tunchkhan on Oct 19, 2007 14:36:24 GMT -5
... For the Greeks I suggest adding the Athenians too. Spartans and Macedonians is perfect ofcourse, but as a third faction Athens would be great too. Sparta and Athens rarely ever got along. If you were to take Athens, you'd have a few places still loyal. Sparta would rise up further right away, and then there are those Macedonians. I always considered Athenians as the core for the "Greek" civilization. But these are merely name suggestions for a game, not an academic or historic argument. So if we name the Greek Civilization as the Hellenic Civilization, than perhaps we can imagine Athens going back to their roots and declaring independence from the "Hellens". Otherwise Athens sounds synonimous to Greek to me.
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